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Posted 10/16/201107:51 PM

Hi all.  First post here.  I've enjoyed visiting these forums for a while, but just got around to joining the other day.  Y'all seem like a great crowd, and I've really enjoyed picking up on the knowledge that everyone contributes.

Without having previously handled either of them, I was leaning toward a Savage 114 American Classic over an S2.  After yesterday's visit to a dealer who caries both, I am now leaning heavily towards the S2.  Although the dealer didn't actually have an S2, they did have standard Vanguards in both synthetic and wood.  To me, the Vanguards were far better balanced and shouldered much more naturally.  I can't find any dealer close by who has an S2 in stock yet.  So I hope there is little/no difference in "feel" between the standard and S2 Vanguards.

My question is this...  Are the S2 barreled actions identical to those of the standard Vanguards?  I'm a wood guy.  So if I purchase the S2, the first thing I'm likely to do is replace the synthetic with walnut.  But I can't find any info about differences in the S2 and standard Vanguard actions.  I think it's because there is no difference where fit is concerned - and I'll be in good shape with an after-market stock that was originally designed for the standard Vanguard.
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Posted 10/16/201109:04 PM

The S2 receiver/barrel fits the Bell and Carlson Medalist really well. I don't know how it fits on others.

I got a B&C stock and put it on my new S2. I love it. I have put about 15 rounds through it now getting it sighted in and testing a number of bullet / powder combinations. In my opinion, the well-fitting stock and the recoil pad greatly contribute to the accuracy.

There is a small amount of space behind the safety that could possibly be closed in with some epoxy. I'm going to take my stock to B&C and see what they recommend.

Don't forget about the wood stocks Weatherby sells. For about the same price as a B&C you can get a walnut stock from Weatherby. Ask the Custom Shop.Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine.







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Posted 10/17/201108:54 AM

Welcome to the club house, 53.  The S2 is more evolutionary than revolutionary.  If you see a wood stock old model you like, you are not missing out on anything by getting it instead of an S2.  I think that even the cheapest Vanguard is a step above Savage.  Much better workmanship and material.  The price fools lots of people into thinking they are buying something in the class of a Savage or Marlin or Rem770.  Vanguards are completely bulletproof, debugged decades ago, and guaranteed to shoot.
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Posted 10/17/201111:31 AM

That's good to know. I am looking at the S2 because I want a couple,  or 3 more in stainless.
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Posted 10/17/201102:34 PM

Thanks for the replies all  Smiley

imr, I absolutely agree that, despite competing from a $ perspective, the materials and quality looked to be significantly better on the Vanguard.

I like both high gloss finished wood on a gloss-blued barrel and/or satin finished wood on a ss barrel.  eford, thanks much for pointing me the way of the custom shop.  I started looking at what's available for the Vanguard through the "custom shop" tab on the web site.  It looks like two different wood stocks are available for the Vanguard as a "production rifle upgrade".

I know these may be best asked on the phone with the custom shop, but does anyone know if the "VGX Deluxe #2" and the "VGX Deluxe #2 - Upgrade" are satin and high gloss?  And is the Vanguard barrel even available in a high gloss?

I do see auctions available for the Vanguard Deluxe such as this one at http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=255747810.  I'm guessing that these Deluxes are no longer offered unless you go through the custom shop?  If that's the case, I guess I'd be able to custom order what amounts to an S2 Deluxe?
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Posted 10/17/201102:38 PM

You might want to contact Weatherby and see if a Deluxe version of the Vanguard is in the works. It's probably cheaper to buy one "pre-built" if they bring them out than to order one. However, if you order your own you probably get to discuss your wood choices with them.   WinkGone from Wby Nation
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Posted 10/17/201104:18 PM

If you are looking for an S2 with a wood stock I got the amswer for you. I went to our local Cabelas and they have a Weatherby Vanguard S2 action in a Lazermark stock. If yoa are not into the High gloss stock you could call the Weatherby Custom shop and Order an S2 in the caliber you want and get a walnu stock for it. The Weatherby Lazermark Vanguard is $840 and comes in 257 weatherby,300 weatherby & .30-06 its a nice looking rifle 3 position safety. Good luck and welcome to the party!!!!!!!!!  .30-06 sprg shoots flatter hits harder
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Posted 10/17/201107:51 PM

If you are looking for an S2 with a wood stock I got the amswer for you. I went to our local Cabelas and they have a Weatherby Vanguard S2 action in a Lazermark stock. If yoa are not into the High gloss stock you could call the Weatherby Custom shop and Order an S2 in the caliber you want and get a walnu stock for it. The Weatherby Lazermark Vanguard is $840 and comes in 257 weatherby,300 weatherby & .30-06 its a nice looking rifle 3 position safety. Good luck and welcome to the party!!!!!!!!!

Oh man.....  You're making me want to drive 3+ hours to the nearest Cabelas.  Of course, I'd call first.  Based upon the forum post I saw about that Cabela's special Vanguard Lazermark, a lot of the stores don't have it in stock or have sold the one or two they may have had.  I'm really looking for a .270, but you're right...  at $840, it would be very hard to pass up in a .257wby.

I think I need to take y'alls advice and call Weatherby to ask if they have plans to produce the Vanguard Deluxe and what it might cost to get wood on an S2 or an S2 stainless.
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Posted 10/17/201110:34 PM

Several weeks ago I heard some rumors about the return of the Vanguard Deluxe and called Weatherby to inquire.  They said they are in the pipeline but won't hit the streets for several (6?) months.  They are currently taking orders from the big retailers, and will build as required to fill those orders.  They will be available only in the most popular calibers, which did not include 7mm Rem Mag. :-(Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick
up a turd by the clean end.
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Posted 10/18/201107:54 PM

Several weeks ago I heard some rumors about the return of the Vanguard Deluxe and called Weatherby to inquire.  They said they are in the pipeline but won't hit the streets for several (6?) months.  They are currently taking orders from the big retailers, and will build as required to fill those orders.  They will be available only in the most popular calibers, which did not include 7mm Rem Mag. :-(

That's good news.  I've gone 45 years without owning a Weatherby.  For a chance to make my first one a Vanguard Deluxe, it would probably be worth waiting another six months or so...

mtnmasher, did they happen to give any details about the gun itself?  Or what the expected retail might be?  Or if they'll also be offering an S2 Deluxe?

It doesn't make much sense to me that Weatherby wouldn't offer it in 7mm rem mag - since I think they offer it in every other Vanguard they produce.  So isn't it just a matter of dropping some of those already existing 7mm rem mag barreled actions into a Deluxe stock?  Unless they plan on eliminating the 7mm Rem Mag as an offering on all Vanguards?
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Posted 10/25/201104:20 PM

Any comments on either Stockys Stocks or  Boyds Stocks?  I am picking up a new Vanguard Series 2 this week and I am really not too keen on Plastic Stocks.  I like the laminated stocks best and was wondering if anyone had experience with either of these two companies?

Thanks,

Joe
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Posted 10/25/201105:46 PM

My experience with the custom shop tells me you'd probably save yourself money ordering it from weatherby the way you want it. As far as stocks go they'd put the S2 action on the stock you want, then add the difference between the stocks to the cost of the rifle. So instead of paying $800 for a $500 rifle and $300 stock, you'd pay $600 for weatherby to take the $200 stock off the $500 rifle and put a $300 stock on it.

Another note, the prices that are posted under the custom shops menus are MSRP. That doesn't mean that the prices are exactly what you will pay. To put it in perspective without going into detail, I submitted a build recently. After dealer markup (since he's who the quote came from, I don't know what Weatherby is charging him) the quote came in $300 lower than the MSRP on the "build your own" page. I would estimate it around 19% less than what weatherby's site said the package would cost.

So don't let sticker shock make you shy away from Weatherby's custom shop. Ordering the closest production rifle to what I wanted (A sub MOA guaranteed Vanguard @ $1000) then swapping out the stock alone would've put me in the same ballpark as what I've paid for that and a few other options through the custom shop.
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Posted 10/25/201106:18 PM

Can someone post a link directly to the Weatherby Custom Stocks?  Everytime I click on to the Custom shop link it makes me choose this or that and then I can never see any stocks.  I maybe doing something wrong or the program is just messed up on my browser.

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Posted 10/25/201106:33 PM

http://www.weatherby.com/customshop/customoption/40896

Try that one. Unfortunately it doesn't tell you much other than what the synthetic stock color patterns look like. I'm guessing figuring out the difference between accuguard, fibermark etc. is left to the consumer. I do wish they'd gone into a little more detail with the stock portion of the works.
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Posted 10/25/201107:21 PM

http://www.weatherby.com/customshop/customoption/40896

Try that one. Unfortunately it doesn't tell you much other than what the synthetic stock color patterns look like. I'm guessing figuring out the difference between accuguard, fibermark etc. is left to the consumer. I do wish they'd gone into a little more detail with the stock portion of the works.

Thanks but I have been looking for the options of the Wood Stocks.  I am not a composite type guy although I am buying one (black but would like to replace with Laminated Wood Stock), lol!

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